Comments on: The myth of moderate Islam in Ireland: MPAC.ie http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445 Conservative. Nationalist. Likes Cake. Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:48:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Aengus http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445&cpage=1#comment-331 Aengus Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:05:58 +0000 http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445#comment-331 Also, you should really install a wordpress plugin to allow users to be notified of follow-up replies in comments. I only came back here after seeing someone visited my site from here. Also, you should really install a wordpress plugin to allow users to be notified of follow-up replies in comments. I only came back here after seeing someone visited my site from here.

]]> By: Aengus http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445&cpage=1#comment-330 Aengus Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:02:55 +0000 http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445#comment-330 Yeah, I did the same light research on the owner myself, a very frustrating character. As for your reply, John - "When you have to identify a religion – and groups of people within that religion – as either moderate or extreme, the entire community of people you are talking about has a problem." Well, I hope you hold not only Muslims to this - are there not radical Christians who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortionists? Are there not ultra orthodox Jews who act completely reprehensibly and subject women to similarly awful conditions as do radical Muslims? Yeah, I did the same light research on the owner myself, a very frustrating character.

As for your reply, John –

“When you have to identify a religion – and groups of people within that religion – as either moderate or extreme, the entire community of people you are talking about has a problem.”

Well, I hope you hold not only Muslims to this – are there not radical Christians who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortionists? Are there not ultra orthodox Jews who act completely reprehensibly and subject women to similarly awful conditions as do radical Muslims?

]]> By: Sean http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445&cpage=1#comment-322 Sean Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:55:32 +0000 http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445#comment-322 A frontman is just that Dermot, it's who's behind this individual that's the concern. I went on their site today and there's a reference to this post: http://mpac.ie/2010/01/03/if-you-throw-a-stone-at-every-barking-dog/ so you've obviously hit a nerve. A frontman is just that Dermot, it’s who’s behind this individual that’s the concern. I went on their site today and there’s a reference to this post: http://mpac.ie/2010/01/03/if-you-throw-a-stone-at-every-barking-dog/ so you’ve obviously hit a nerve.

]]> By: Dermot http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445&cpage=1#comment-316 Dermot Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:22:04 +0000 http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445#comment-316 whois: mpac.ie % Rights restricted by copyright; http://www.domainregistry.ie/Copyright.php % Do not remove this notice domain: mpac.ie descr: MPAC descr: Unincorporated Association descr: Unincorporated Association Name admin-c: AIO139-IEDR tech-c: ABG704-IEDR renewal: 12-December-2009 status: Active nserver: ns1.vidahost.com nserver: ns2.vidahost.com source: IEDR person: Liam Egan nic-hdl: AIO139-IEDR source: IEDR person: Lets Host Domain Services nic-hdl: ABG704-IEDR source: IEDR Now let's google search this Liam Egan person: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/muslim-stereotyping-promotes-hatred-1308877.html http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/manners-maketh-the-person-1476851.html http://www.independent.ie/national-news/state-to-consider-muslim-schooldress-code-1380624.html And in particular on http://www.herald.ie/opinion/this-man-is-wrong-about-muslim-rights-1476961.html a photo and: Liam Egan, a convert to Islam, and his wife Beverley want their 14-year-old daughter, Shekinah, to be allowed to wear her headscarf to Gorey Community School. So no really representative of Muslim immigrants, so question is he a straw man created for everyone to fear and loathe or is he just a local crazy who decided to rebel ala John Walker Lindh about a minute ago whois: mpac.ie
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Now let’s google search this Liam Egan person:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/muslim-stereotyping-promotes-hatred-1308877.html

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/manners-maketh-the-person-1476851.html
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/state-to-consider-muslim-schooldress-code-1380624.html

And in particular on http://www.herald.ie/opinion/this-man-is-wrong-about-muslim-rights-1476961.html

a photo and:
Liam Egan, a convert to Islam, and his wife Beverley want their 14-year-old daughter, Shekinah, to be allowed to wear her headscarf to Gorey Community School.

So no really representative of Muslim immigrants, so question is he a straw man created for everyone to fear and loathe or is he just a local crazy who decided to rebel ala John Walker Lindh
about a minute ago

]]> By: John http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445&cpage=1#comment-314 John Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:25:43 +0000 http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445#comment-314 I didn't actually say there were no moderate Muslims. I said the idea of moderate Islam - as an ideology <strong>and</strong> a theology is a myth. And it is. Your comment actually spotlights the problem. They don't call themselves radicals or extremists either, but they are. When you have to identify a religion - and groups of people within that religion - as either moderate or extreme, the entire community of people you are talking about has a problem. "Moderate" Islam is a myth precisely because it enables people to refuse to engage with websites like this one and write it off as the work of a few extremists, and to further write off criticism of the religious underpinnings of terror as sectarianism. It's a myth because it absolves a faith of responsibility for its own dark side - something it refuses to confront either here or abroad. I didn’t actually say there were no moderate Muslims. I said the idea of moderate Islam – as an ideology and a theology is a myth. And it is. Your comment actually spotlights the problem. They don’t call themselves radicals or extremists either, but they are. When you have to identify a religion – and groups of people within that religion – as either moderate or extreme, the entire community of people you are talking about has a problem. “Moderate” Islam is a myth precisely because it enables people to refuse to engage with websites like this one and write it off as the work of a few extremists, and to further write off criticism of the religious underpinnings of terror as sectarianism. It’s a myth because it absolves a faith of responsibility for its own dark side – something it refuses to confront either here or abroad.

]]> By: Aengus http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445&cpage=1#comment-313 Aengus Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:01:28 +0000 http://www.mcguirk.eu/?p=445#comment-313 "To be fair, they never explicitly call themselves moderates." Well then why did you include the word in the headline of your blog post, presenting MPAC as proof that moderate Islam doesn't exist in Ireland (i.e. that all Muslims in Ireland subscribe to their views)? “To be fair, they never explicitly call themselves moderates.”

Well then why did you include the word in the headline of your blog post, presenting MPAC as proof that moderate Islam doesn’t exist in Ireland (i.e. that all Muslims in Ireland subscribe to their views)?

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